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 Post subject: Gimp-PC_Lab-2.8.2-32bit ready for testing
PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 6:42 pm  (#1) 
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A peculiarity of this version is that can be started in 2 very different mode as were 2 different versions of gimp

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start-gimp by PhotoComiX, on Flickr


1 A Basic NO_Extra mode 1 thats load faster with menu not bloated by other script,...basic but complete, include:

a recent Help (not the standard from the Help Installer for win that is still the old for 2.6),
support for python
,ufraw to open photo from camera,
and a script to Save and Export simultaneity




2) or as Gimp_PhotoComix_Lab that integrate the best plugin script and addon for Photo( all types of photo editing ) and "Comix", the word is used here in a broader sense to indicate digital sketching, painting and graphic


GMIC 1.5.1.9
MathMap
GAP
Liquid Rescale
Resythesizer
Filter Factory Transformer (aka Userfilter)
Beautify
Mathmap
GPS (gimp_paint-studio)
Export as SWF (flash animation)
Save+export
Photo-effect

and many other plugin and scripts, as example to correct white balance, color temperature, add frame, hidden or visible watermark, copyright note,
emulate style of old photo camera (Diana Holga Polaroid) or emulsion, for simulate infrared and crossprocess, or transform photos in sketches , drawing painting

and for add nice logo or script, and animation...

More detailed presentation is coming ....

http://sourceforge.net/projects/gimp-pa ... z/download

DOWNLOAD

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 Post subject: Re: Gimp-PC_Lab-2.8.2-32bit ready for testing
PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 9:59 pm  (#2) 
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GIMP-PC_Lab-2.8.2-32bits.7z < 6 hours ago 6.9 MB

Gimp_PhotoComix_Lab-2.8.1-32bit-v2.7z 2012-08-25 261.9 MB

Could something be missing?


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 Post subject: Re: Gimp-PC_Lab-2.8.2-32bit ready for testing
PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 8:44 am  (#3) 
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everything was missed , something very wrong happened during the upload.
i deleted the file and i am uploading again just now.

EDIT
still fighting for upload,last failed at 98%.

I should start to use SFTP (problem are with normal HTML upload) that will be much better and would allow a checksum
but i am not sure on how to properly set up Filezilla (my ftp client)

EDIT
Damn! Upload failed again ! please be patient !

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 Post subject: Re: Gimp-PC_Lab-2.8.2-32bit ready for testing
PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 12:39 pm  (#4) 
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EDIT
new update
save for the web was not working, now fixed
for the rest, content is the same but file is 60MB smaller thank to a better compression

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 Post subject: Re: Gimp-PC_Lab-2.8.2-32bit ready for testing
PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 1:55 pm  (#5) 
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Everything is looking good except for problems with Help
I have:
- user manual: Use locally installed copy
- Help browser: Gimp help browser

The Help file comes up but everything is blank. On the index pane (left side) if I click I see a selection being made but no text shown. I tried d-click in the index but still nothing shown.

From Process Explorer - Properties - Image this is the command line that's been used:
D:\PortableApps\GIMPPortable\GIMP-PC_Lab-2.8.2-32bits\lib\gimp\2.0\plug-ins\help-browser.exe -gimp 10 8 -run 0
Current directory: D:\PortableApps\GIMPPortable\GIMP-PC_Lab-2.8.2-32bits\bin\

FWIW: I also d/l'd Samj's: gimp_2_8_2-1_Samj_32bits and with Help preferences set as above see the same symptoms.

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 Post subject: Re: Gimp-PC_Lab-2.8.2-32bit ready for testing
PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 2:03 pm  (#6) 
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Alec Burgess wrote:
Everything is looking good except for problems ... SNIP

Forgot this ... on first run I got a popup for the "Save for web with Riot ..."
As it suggested, I closed Gimp, completed its install. Upon restart I have that entry under <image>Files and it appears to work but the Riot installer prompt is being shown every time I restart Gimp from "_Start_Gimp_PC-Lab_English.bat"

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 Post subject: Re: Gimp-PC_Lab-2.8.2-32bit ready for testing
PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 2:30 pm  (#7) 
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Bonjour,

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About Help :


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 Post subject: Re: Gimp-PC_Lab-2.8.2-32bit ready for testing
PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:56 pm  (#8) 
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@Alec Burgess
All the problems you reported are already fixed in the last version i uploaded yesterday
But since is a big file you may prefer do not download again and fix your copy

1) Help
as Samj explained the "Browser to use" must be set on "Web browser"

If you do you may be surprised because Help will NOT open in new tab or window in IE (or Firefox or what other web brower you use) instead you will see something as

Image

2) Save for the Web (Riot)
the problem was a missed DLL, now is fixed :
i included the dll here as attachment so you may just unzip and place in gimp/photocomix/plug-ins/_Preinstalled/utils

PS
i already asked (on flickr):
At soon installed the first time you call the Help, it should open out of the box, the correct option should be the default

Didn't happened to You ?

Also there is much confusion about the Gimp browser:
It was removed from Gimp years ago, i found that still work so i included in my first version , but i removed because i prefar the Help in chm, that Gimp


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 Post subject: Re: Gimp-PC_Lab-2.8.2-32bit ready for testing
PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 7:33 pm  (#9) 
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I just dl the package an hour ago but I am seeing the riot install program. This looks like a standard windows install to "program files" which should not be part of a portable. I did not let it continue the install of riot.

I switched to "web brouser" and still got a blank page. It did not work at all unless I put your gimp folder in the c:\ directory.

When I start the lab program, I don't have any dockables on the right side. If I switch off single window mode, I see the window and the title says "Laters - Error"

Running WindowsXP


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 Post subject: Re: Gimp-PC_Lab-2.8.2-32bit ready for testing
PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 8:31 pm  (#10) 
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bilbo9955 wrote:
I just dl the package an hour ago but I am seeing the riot install program. This looks like a standard windows install to "program files" which should not be part of a portable. I did not let it continue the install of riot.


THANK TO REPORT !
I fixed but you don't need to wait and download again:
delete " Riot-plugin.exe" from PhotoComix/plug-ins/_preinstalled/utils.
Riot is already installed "Riot-plugin.exe" is not the plugin but its installer

bilbo9955 wrote:
I switched to "web brouser" and still got a blank page. It did not work at all unless I put your gimp folder in the c:\ directory.


That is weird..more exactly seems as the preference is on "gimp browser" are you sure to have applied the change in preferences ?(if you close preferences dialog clicking on the X changes may be not applied
Or...maybe you placed Gimp in "Program Files" ? For xp is not relevant but in Vista and 7 you may place this GIMP where you wish EXCEPT then Program Files, because a Windows lock is there and may block some needed changes

bilbo9955 wrote:
When I start the lab program, I don't have any dockables on the right side. If I switch off single window mode, I see the window and the title says "Laters - Error"


This is even more strange
In the presentation i wrote that gimp could be loaded in 2 different modes , but was a simplification, 2 are the basics, but there are more language options

To the point :
if you started Gimp in PC_Lab mode , from _Start_Gimp_PC-Lab_English.bat you may try again but this time using
_Start_Gimp_PC-Lab.bat (or in case vice versa )

the difference is that _Start_Gimp_PC-Lab.bat start the program with the language indicate in the computer language setting
(i.e in french for french users, spanish for spanish users ..) the other will instead always use English

Language has no directly nothing to do with dock,I am asking to try the other bat file, to check if the file was somehow corruptedno much probable that both got corrupted in the same way causing same problem

If the problem remain could you please take some screenshot at least 1 of all gimp , the other with the error message (s)

Again thank a lot to you and Alec Burgess for the feedback, i was really disappointed for the lack of comment..not only emotionally but because feedback help a lot to find bugs and fix them.



If that doesn't solve

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 Post subject: Re: Gimp-PC_Lab-2.8.2-32bit ready for testing
PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 8:45 pm  (#11) 
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@Alec & Bilbo
Maybe it is not evident but is as this version of gimp has 2 users (let call them "No_extra" and "PC-Lab" each with his own preferences

So if you set the Help preferences in "web browser" as NO_Extra, that doesn't change nothing for the other mode,for the other user, that to get same result should repeat the operation

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 Post subject: Re: Gimp-PC_Lab-2.8.2-32bit ready for testing
PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 9:22 pm  (#12) 
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I found the issue with the missing layers dock in single mode, it apparently started with the movable divider moved all the way to the right. I moved it back out to open the dock.

The help seems to be working now, maybe restarting the program helped.

I am not able to get the "Smart remove selection" to work. The heal selection works which, I guess, uses the new resyntheizer versus the old for the "smart".

Thank you for your work on this package! I am getting to try a lot of new plugins that I never would have found or that I thought were of value to me.

I have only been using the PC_Lab English version


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 Post subject: Re: Gimp-PC_Lab-2.8.2-32bit ready for testing
PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 3:43 pm  (#13) 
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Summary to date of three problems:
Riot web print:
Running the installer *had* put riot.exe and riot.dll where they belonged in:
D:\PortableApps\GIMPPortable\GIMP-PC_Lab-2.8.2-32bits\PhotoComix\plug-ins\_Preinstalled\utils\ *GOOD*
Removed the riot-plugin.exe stopped the bogus repeated requests to install *GOOD*
and I still have Riot .... offered in File menu.

Gegl problems ... specifically Cage Transform completion crashes Gimp.
I believe the Jernej installer had this problem caused by a missing lib\gegl-0.2 folder which he resolved by issuing a "slipstream" 2.8..2-1.
Your 2.8.1 has lib\gegl-0.2 but not the copy of 2.8.2 I have from before your Riot "fix".
Have I diagnosed correctly? does your latest include lib\gegl-0.2 folder?

Help - I changed to use local copy (which is detected) and use web browser.
I think I understand you to say that this combo should not actually display in which ever browser is system default but in HTML Help. CORRECT?
In case it makes any difference I temporarily changed my default browser to IE-8 from Chrome (using Browser TraySwitch from DonationCoder) - same results.
When I hit [F1] or Shift+[F1] no window opens.
Looking in Process Explorer I see it briefly opens both
Help.exe: D:\PortableApps\GIMPPortable\GIMP-PC_Lab-2.8.2-32bits\lib\gimp\2.0\plug-ins\help.exe -gimp 7 5 -run 0
- and
web-browser.exe (version 2,8,2 build time 2012-08-23 23:46) D:\PortableApps\GIMPPortable\GIMP-PC_Lab-2.8.2-32bits\lib\gimp\2.0\plug-ins\web-browser.exe but this terminates with a second or two (maybe all its doing is checking that this isn't a call to on-line doc'n?) but
Help.exe remains running apparently doing nothing.

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 Post subject: Re: Gimp-PC_Lab-2.8.2-32bit ready for testing
PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 5:27 pm  (#14) 
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pardon my ignorance but what is gimp-pc_lab?

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 Post subject: Re: Gimp-PC_Lab-2.8.2-32bit ready for testing
PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 6:49 pm  (#15) 
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Alonte wrote:
pardon my ignorance but what is gimp-pc_lab?


did you read the first message ?

Alec Burgess wrote:
Summary to date of three problems:
Riot web print:
Running the installer *had* put riot.exe and riot.dll where they belonged in:
D:\PortableApps\GIMPPortable\GIMP-PC_Lab-2.8.2-32bits\PhotoComix\plug-ins\_Preinstalled\utils\ *GOOD*
Removed the riot-plugin.exe stopped the bogus repeated requests to install *GOOD*
and I still have Riot .... offered in File menu.


This should be fixed in the file on the server
Weird as errors may happen, i installed Riot correctly but when checking last details i noticed that file, " riot-plugin exe" left floating on my desktop, and thinking to a oversight i moved in the plugin folder
(as excuse i may only say that call the plugin "riot.exe" but the installer "riot-plugin.exe" may be confusing )


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Gegl problems ... specifically Cage Transform completion crashes Gimp.
I believe the Jernej installer had this problem caused by a missing lib\gegl-0.2 folder which he resolved by issuing a "slipstream" 2.8..2-1.
Your 2.8.1 has lib\gegl-0.2 but not the copy of 2.8.2 I have from before your Riot "fix".
Have I diagnosed correctly? does your latest include lib\gegl-0.2 folder?



Correct ...the gegl folder is no more there!

but i don't think is missed by mistake, from the 2.8.2 release note

Quote:
- Remove all “Use GEGL” menu items, they only add bugs and zero
function


and for sure were radically removed, all the gegl operations seems vanished ...not sure if was a good idea to remove and if had unplanned side effect on the cage tool

But to test should be sufficient add back the folder, and that from 2.8.1 should be compatible
I am going to try but i never used much the cage tool so i am not too indicate to test it, anyway i may try

IN CASE YOU, OR SOMEONE ELSE WANT TRY, i zipped the folder and included below as attachment

also i am curious to see what bugs caused a so drastic decision,it is true that most of gegl operation just duplicate function , but a few (C2G, mirrors..) have no a equivalent and i like the preview applied to the image

Alec Burgess wrote:
Help - I changed to use local copy (which is detected) and use web browser.
I think I understand you to say that this combo should not actually display in which ever browser is system default but in HTML Help. CORRECT?
In case it makes any difference I temporarily changed my default browser to IE-8 from Chrome (using Browser TraySwitch from DonationCoder) - same results.
When I hit [F1] or Shift+[F1] no window opens.
Looking in Process Explorer I see it briefly opens both
Help.exe: D:\PortableApps\GIMPPortable\GIMP-PC_Lab-2.8.2-32bits\lib\gimp\2.0\plug-ins\help.exe -gimp 7 5 -run 0
- and
web-browser.exe (version 2,8,2 build time 2012-08-23 23:46) D:\PortableApps\GIMPPortable\GIMP-PC_Lab-2.8.2-32bits\lib\gimp\2.0\plug-ins\web-browser.exe but this terminates with a second or two (maybe all its doing is checking that this isn't a call to on-line doc'n?) but
Help.exe remains running apparently doing nothing.


On my laptop the help look as files/158_gimp-help.jpg
I can't understand why doesn't work for you , ...do you use XP ?...or what ?

I just installed the new version of gmic, did some inner cleaning but before update the file on sourceforge i would like find more info about the removed Gegl folder

Gegl that anyway is in the zip
(But please ... may be there some GEGL operation causing such critical errors to justify such radical removal...
i don't want make blind guess ,at the moment i don't know nothing more then the line i quoted, about removed gegl operations

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 Post subject: Re: Gimp-PC_Lab-2.8.2-32bit ready for testing
PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 6:56 pm  (#16) 
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Alonte wrote:
pardon my ignorance but what is gimp-pc_lab?


PhotoComix has put together a version which includes everything including the kitchen sink. It has GAP included. It also has all of the plugins and scripts that Gimpchat members have found useful in the past. If you remember a useful plugin, but don't know where to get it, it is probably in this package.

If you like to explore scripts and plugins, but don't like the pain of installing each one, then this package is for you!


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 Post subject: Re: Gimp-PC_Lab-2.8.2-32bit ready for testing
PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:11 pm  (#17) 
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It doesn't make yet a good coffee but for the rest is quite complete

but i maintained well separated from the Gimp core everything i added, and this (that and a nice utility from Samj used also to preserve portability )make also possible run it as a normal gimp with no extra

no extra but all what should be, including help, support for python plugin and portability (and Ufraw to open files from digital camera )

basically a shortcut may start "Normal" gimp
and another shortcut a gimp loaded with all best script and plugins (and even some pattern brushes, tool presets...)

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 Post subject: Re: Gimp-PC_Lab-2.8.2-32bit ready for testing
PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:25 pm  (#18) 
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@Alec
maybe i found the culprit of your problem with the help
see if the suggestion in the 2nd message here solve

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=4891

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 Post subject: Re: Gimp-PC_Lab-2.8.2-32bit ready for testing
PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:58 pm  (#19) 
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PhotoComix wrote:
@Alec
maybe i found the culprit of your problem with the help
see if the suggestion in the 2nd message here solve

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=4891

Hmmm ... I think that screenshot may be from Win-7?
I'm on WinXP SP3 32bit
In any case look at http://screencast.com/t/4BLfN5ym5BoQ (no block option on [General tab].) So turning to security tab shown. All users categories except Users [MYDESKTOP\Users] have all options except [Special Permissions] are checked. IMO the user that s/b applicable is Alec [MYDESKTOP\Alec] so I'll set Users "just-in-case" then try and figure out whether somehow [Advanced] can control something equivalent to [Blocked] / [Unblocked].

On WinXP it looks like "Full Control" is as good as it gets. (ie. I don't see any [Blocked] equivalent in the Properties menu I see.

@PhotoComix - I assume you are on Win7 *CORRECT*?
@ b10h4z4rd, Samj, everyone-else: Anyone have success getting Help to run from either Photcomix 2.8.1/2.8.2/Samj-2.8.2-1 (those are the versions I have on disk currently) on WinXP?.

Note: When I double-click gimp_2_8_en.chm in Explorer it opens with hh.exe as expected.

re: Missing Gegl-0.2 see my comment #15 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=676468#c15
and Michaels #16, #17. Looks like they didn't realize (my guess) new in 2.8 cage transform tool requires GEGL, didn't think much of the other stuff reachable from the GEGL tool and axed the folder. Then Michael but it back and a replacement "slipstream" Windows installer was created - not publicized but version changed.

See also: lyjek - Mysterious 2.8.2-1 update in Windows release of GIMP.
viewtopic.php?uid=1903&f=4&t=5043&start=0

(Obviously not the same commitment as with the Save vs Export debate <BIG GRIN>)
Confirmed - after comparing lib/gegl-0.2 from installed GIMP 2.8.2-1 to your PC_Lab 2.8.1 (they are identical) I copied to PC_Lab 2.8.2\lib\gegl-0.2.
Now Cage Tool works (and the GEGL operations list dropdown is restored)

so - only outstanding issue I know is what's wrong with the HELP system. If /when I get a chance tomorrow I'll copy your 2.8.2 from WinXP to my Win7 laptop. (I researched a little more and it looks like its a Vista/Win7 feature only.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:53 pm  (#20) 
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yes the screenshot was from 7 but was the first time i had a similar lock and only happened with that file.

The chm Help is from Samj http://samjcreations.blogspot.it/ maybe she may figure out better what went wrong, tomorrow i will test more on XP

Quote:
... as with the Save vs Export debate


I found long ago how to bypass the whole problem: for obvious reasons i need to perform both Export & Save , do simultaneously using the same filename and same folder is very convenient for my workflow , i agree that are 2 different things, but the most convenient is do both with a single click not waste time to debate the exact terminology

So i just installed globally the SAVE + EXPORT script of RobA that in my opinion is the most pleasant solution
(in the File/Save menu:
SAVE AS + EXPORT
and
SAVE + EXPORT this last only for images already saved )

I think i will update the file later in the evening, but i may already anticipate the changes

1 fix for Cage tool and gegl operations
2 Gmic updated
3 cleaning up of menu
(many script and plugin authors try to add the most different menu and submenu)
4 better selection of script and plugin
5 Restored the bigger preview for Gimpressionist, Map Object, Lighting effect, Depth merge, Fractal Trace
6 Save+ Export installed globally

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