How do you make a bevel without a script ?

Esper · **Joined:** Jul 17, 2012 **Posts:** 2770

RobA wrote:

Thinks like this CAN be done manually, but are thankless and error-prone.

thank you for the explanation

i tried to follow your instructions as an experiment and now i see why you just have to write a script for stuff like this :mrgreen:

it is indeed thankless and very error-prone

but it was very interesting - thanks for taking the time to write it all down for me !

EDIT: thinking about it, would it make sense to write a script for the operation you described for me ?
that way, people could make their own custom bumpmaps, or is that what your script already does, just with a different label ?

Akros · **Joined:** Jan 10, 2013 **Posts:** 863

Esper wrote:

heres what i got, i tried what pegleg showed, but tbh, he does it with a script.....then i had another look at jamac4k's pdf
played around a bit, deleted several tries and then it dawned me:

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Bevel_revealed_.png

it goes like this

01. type your text (i used Sans Bold 430px)
02. alpha to selection and save in a channel (just in case)
03. shrink selection by 5px
04. invert
05. fill with black on a new transparent layer
06. deselect and blur by 10
07. alpha select your text again and make a layermask from selection on the filled-with-black-layer
08. duplicate black layer (with the layermask) and invert color
now you have two layers with layermasks: one black (shadow) and one white (highlight)
09. according to your lightsource, erase the parts on your layermask you dont want, by painting on it with black
if the highlight layer is on top, you only need to edit that layermask and leave the shadow layer as it is
10. set shadow layer to 'Multiply' 75% and highlight-layer to 'Screen' at 75% opacity

Woww

Thx Esper!!

Very instructive! i love it!! :clap

Esper · **Joined:** Jul 17, 2012 **Posts:** 2770

Akros wrote:

Esper wrote:

Woww

Thx Esper!!

Very instructive! i love it!! :clap

thank you Akros, unfortunately, the layerfx script probably makes the bevel with a bumpmap and the effect i described is pretty limited with what you can achieve, but its interesting to know, i think

dd · **Joined:** Apr 10, 2011 **Posts:** 532

You do it with the emboss plugin. First create a height map by using the shaped gradient tool, or alternatively by using feather selection, then use emboss.

Oh and bump map is just an emboss effect that gets automatically merged to the target layer. There's no practical difference between using emboss or bump map, except that using emboss is more non-destructive.

Esper · **Joined:** Jul 17, 2012 **Posts:** 2770

dd wrote:

You do it with the emboss plugin. First create a height map by using the shaped gradient tool, or alternatively by using feather selection, then use emboss.

Oh and bump map is just an emboss effect that gets automatically merged to the target layer. There's no practical difference between using emboss or bump map, except that using emboss is more non-destructive.

thank you dd !

EDIT: i think you are mistaken, dd
the emboss filter just gives a small edge to your text

do you mean perhaps the Add Bevel filter ?

dd · **Joined:** Apr 10, 2011 **Posts:** 532

Esper wrote:

EDIT: i think you are mistaken, dd
the emboss filter just gives a small edge to your text

do you mean perhaps the Add Bevel filter ?

Nope, you're not using it correctly. Try it like this -

1 - create a new layer on top of the text layer, fill it with black
2 - go to your text layer and select > alpha to selection
3 - select > feather selection by 10
4 - go to the new layer and fill selection with white # now you have a height map on your new layer.
5 - apply emboss on the new layer
6 - go back to your text layer and alpha to selection again
7 - go to new layer, invert selection, erase selection
8 - set new layer to grain merge

Esper · **Joined:** Jul 17, 2012 **Posts:** 2770

dd wrote:

1 - create a new layer on top of the text layer, fill it with black
2 - go to your text layer and select > alpha to selection
3 - select > feather selection by 10
4 - go to the new layer and fill selection with white # now you have a height map on your new layer.
5 - apply emboss on the new layer
6 - go back to your text layer and alpha to selection again
7 - go to new layer, invert selection, erase selection
8 - set new layer to grain merge

thank you very much, dd !! :bigthup

that worked :yes

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Odinbc · **Posted:** Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:43 pm **(#48)**

Nice technique, dd :bigthup

I thought I'd try it on a fancy font.

he4rty · **Joined:** Aug 30, 2012 **Posts:** 2174

DD - Nice technique on the bevel.

molly · **Joined:** Apr 07, 2010 **Posts:** 14182

really nice Odin

AnMal · **Posted:** Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:49 pm **(#51)**

dd: thank you so much for sharing that! i could use that for making transparent bevels and the result is beautiful:

odinbc: that's funny, i've never even tried using bevels on a font like that because i was so sure it would look awful, but that doesn't look bad at all!

molly · **Joined:** Apr 07, 2010 **Posts:** 14182

That is very effective AnMal. I will have to give that one a try.

Akros · **Joined:** Jan 10, 2013 **Posts:** 863

dd wrote:

Nope, you're not using it correctly. Try it like this -

1 - create a new layer on top of the text layer, fill it with black
2 - go to your text layer and select > alpha to selection
3 - select > feather selection by 10
4 - go to the new layer and fill selection with white # now you have a height map on your new layer.
5 - apply emboss on the new layer
6 - go back to your text layer and alpha to selection again
7 - go to new layer, invert selection, erase selection
8 - set new layer to grain merge

Can't do it... not work here :pound

Odinbc · **Posted:** Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:17 pm **(#54)**

I can't stop playing, I had a go with a grunge type font.

Esper · **Joined:** Jul 17, 2012 **Posts:** 2770

Akros wrote:

Can't do it... not work here

what part do you have difficulties with ?

molly · **Joined:** Apr 07, 2010 **Posts:** 14182

Odin that font would be great in a murder mystery... :mrgreen:

Nice little tute dd...thank you

Akros · **Joined:** Jan 10, 2013 **Posts:** 863

Esper wrote:

what part do you have difficulties with ?

Hi Esper!

Well... :roll:

I feel no difficulty nowhere. But follow the 8 steps and not get a result. :bawl

Now I did a little different and get a different result. But I do not know if it's right what should get. :puzzled

Would that I should get? :puzzled

Esper · **Joined:** Jul 17, 2012 **Posts:** 2770

full tutorial for the dd technique here:

viewtopic.php?f=10&t=6268

Esper · **Joined:** Jul 17, 2012 **Posts:** 2770

Akros wrote:

Now I did a little different and get a different result. But I do not know if it's right what should get. :puzzled

i think you forgot to alpha select your text, invert and then cut the embossed layer

Akros · **Joined:** Jan 10, 2013 **Posts:** 863

Ohh... Thx Esper :tyspin

I think I now know why I was going wrong. :oops:

Step 5.
5 - apply emboss on the new layer
I was going in Script-Fu> Layer Effect> Bevel and Emboss and using defaul to Emboss. :gaah

This is a plugin Emboss independent? I'll have to download it right?

Ok, at least now I understand why was not right.
Thx very much Esper :bigthup

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